So I’m in our Picky Bars staff meeting a couple weeks ago.
The way it works is, before the meeting, we all post an outline of the topics we want to discuss on one shared Google doc, and then we work our way through it one person at a time. I’m scanning through the agenda and get to Polster’s section, (our marketing and design guy pictured throughout this blog,) and suddenly blow orange juice out my nose:
Item 7. Media update: hilarious rant on website message board about Lauren leaving Nike because she is making 5 million a year on Picky Bars. Unless of course there is something you should be telling me?
As it turned out, my announcement that I was “peaceably parting ways with Nike” led to several interesting speculations as to why and how it went down.

I think it’s important that you know who Polster is (left), and that he was on the show “Laguna Beach,” which we don’t give him nearly enough shit about.
Let’s back up a second.
Loren’s discovery came form Letsrun.com. It’s the most comprehensive running website with up-to-date news, and the Johnson brothers do a good job of representing both the female and male sides of the sport. The message boards, like all anonymous comment forums, are another story all together.
Stanford had a “no posting policy,” but I used to read the boards in college before I knew better, mostly for a laugh. At first it’s this amazing discovery: People are posting about my sport! They have strong opinions! People actually care! But the second you become “fast,” people start posting about you, with everything from opinions about your training, to a litany of reasons you should be dropped in the middle of the Sahara to die, to debating whether you are “hot,” “cute,” or “lucky to get laid by a zombie.”
At some point, every pro runner decides its best to stay off the boards completely. Six years on the wagon now and I’m not missing anything, I can assure you. That is, except for the gems Polster shared with us.
Back to the Meeting
Polster is not a runner and has no idea what Letsrun is. He stumbled upon the message boards after getting a Google alert and couldn’t believe his eyes. As I mopped the OJ off my laptop, Jesse and I had him read out loud some of the speculative comments so we could have a good giggle. Now I will summarize my favorites and share them with you.
Why Fleshman Left Nike: Myth Busters
#1: She’s making about $5M/year from Picky Bars so she can just run for fun now.
This is the one that resulted in the orange juice nasal squirt. Don’t get me wrong, Picky Bars is doing great but it takes startups several years to be profitable, particularly for the founders. Since the inception of Picky Bars, I’ve made a whopping ZERO dollars. Of course, we hope it leads to something, but for now, it’s not financing my running career.
#2: Her dad works in Hollywood so she has lots of money.
Another classic. Yes my dad worked in Hollywood, as a prop maker. Translation: construction. Translation: working class family living in a 1000 square foot house 50 miles outside of Hollywood with a bitch of a commute. Translation: my inheritance will consist of a sweet 1996 Bose surround sound unit and a potty mouth.
#3.: She’s Jewish.
I assume this is also to imply great wealth. The Fleshman’s may have been Jewish at some point, but if so, it was prior to 1717 when they took the boat from Germany to America as indentured servants to the English Governor of Virginia. True story. But thanks for all the mozel tovs anyway! I’ve considered converting; the Maccabiah Games, AKA Jewish Olympics, are an Olympics I just might be able to qualify for and medal in.
#4: Nike dropped her because she’s pregnant.
This one is partially true: I am pregnant and pregnancy is not part of Nike’s bread and butter marketing plan. But no, there was no dropping, firing, axing, canning, etc.
What Really Happened, The Three Reasons for Moving on:
1. Planning for the future
I’m 31. I don’t bring that up because it means I’m over the hill; I know plenty of 30 somethings who have set PR’s, made Olympics, and kicked my ass when I was in my 20’s. I bring up my age because I’m entering what will be the last stage of my running career, and the prime of when my physical development and career experience overlap. This last contract is special. What will I be left with when it’s over? Bottom line: I want to put my heart into something with more of an upside.
2. The Missing Piece
Nike was a good fit for me for a long time. They supported me financially, gave me world class equipment, and I was part of an elite group of over 200 sponsored track and field athletes and runners worldwide. It was amazing in so many ways. But there was always one area that never quite fit. I’ve always wanted to do more for the sport off the track, helping to make it more accessible…and while there were individuals within Nike who championed that with me, the structure simply didn’t exist to make it happen. Believe me, we tried, multiple times. But the system and complexity of Nike’s structure always got in the way. That’s just part of being a big company. Bottom line: I want a smaller work environment better suited to collaboration.
3. A Philosophical Shift
Lastly, I started to develop a divergent philosophy about sports marketing from Nike’s sports marketing department. My first few years, Nike seemed to value athletes based on a mix of performance, personality, and accessibility. But in the past few years, things shifted. Places and times, records and medals, meant everything. This philosophy makes it easier logistically to manage a budget and create a consistent standard for 200+ athletes and angry agents, and maybe it’s the only way you can manage a group that large. It is undoubtably a fair system. But I think it creates a culture of fear and insecurity rather than enthusiastic, loyal brand ambassadors in a sport where you will always have up and down years. Bottom line: I want a more holistic marketing philosophy I can invest myself in.
The Decision Is Made
All things considered, I survived quite well at Nike. I won two US Championships, made 3 World Track Teams, finished top 5 at the World Cup and top 7 at the World Championships. I ran between 14:58 and 15:02 for 5k 4 times, and under the current Olympic A standard (15:20) 16 times. I also led the USA to a team Bronze medal in XC. But, I had three bad injuries at the wrong time, which left an Olympic sized hole in my resume.
With my 2012 contract coming to an end, and a baby on the horizon, I approached Nike several months ago to talk about my future and my goals. They expressed an interest in keeping me on, at a lower, but still decent salary with room to grow. A good situation. But something had changed. Based on those three main things, I couldn’t get excited about it. Ten years had changed me, and I realized it just didn’t fit anymore.

From the humdrum of reality TV to the fast pace and excitement of Picky Bars: everyone needs a career change now and then. Even Polster.
I have been so lucky to work with incredibly smart, talented people at Nike that I respect immensely. These people blew me away with their creativity and passion, and some will be my friends long after my running career is over. Change is scary, and leaving good people is the hardest part, but developing a vision for what I wanted next helped give me courage.
When I finally got up the guts to tell the boss at Nike, he didn’t put up a fight; he wished me well. The time was probably right for him too. I am, afterall, 31, pregnant, and a pain in the ass. We had a special relationship but I’m sure he won’t miss me always trying to push Nike’s boundaries. 🙂 Or who knows, maybe he will, just a little bit. Everyone, deep down, wants to be missed.
Great post!
Appreciate the candidness, and hey, as a fellow runner struggling in my own little world with my own little problems, it’s great to see the universality (hope that’s a word!) of others “struggling” and then evolving as a result.
Yep. Struggle is good. I don’t expect to ever stop struggling, or to find the “perfect” solution or job, etc. What is it they say? An average person today will have at least six careers in their lifetime, or something like that? Happy evolving Michael 🙂
Thanks for sharing. The business behind running tends to be very foreign to us week-end pluggers, but is fascinating how the commerce is important to build and sustain the sport. It really is so much more than buying a pair of shoes and shorts and running to the end of the block and back. Good luck with everything as you move forward.
Thanks Jeff. I guess like anything, there’s always so much going on in the background! I mean, I paint my toe nails every couple weeks and know absolutely nothing about the nail polish industry. And before I was a pro runner, I had no idea it was even a job!
I am honored to know you! Dave Prince/ former Allegheny Nike runner…….way back!
Thanks Dave 🙂
Thank you for sharing Lauren! I wish you all the best in whatever direction you will go. I know that you will be successful. Your biggest and greatest adventure is about to begin (motherhood) and it will forever change you. 🙂 Good luck to you!
Thanks Kimberlee.
Eloquent commentary. I am sure many will gain insight from your experience
Thanks.
Well said Lauren. I wish you all the best in this next endeavor of you life!
Thanks Dani.
The news page of letsrun is fantastic. I rarely stray from there, though some discussions get pretty interesting (like the which animal would win different distances — true story 🙂 ). So glad message boards don’t comment on how I do my job. At least, they don’t anymore. They did when I volunteered, working for FREE, to put on races and organize community events. Anybody doing anything that is visible to the world will get slaughtered in that environment, pretty much no matter who you are.
Yours sound like great reasons for moving on, better thought out than reasons I have left jobs to move to new ones. You’re smart and talented and have a lot to offer, and I hope everything comes into alignment to allow you to make the most of those characteristics.
That makes my hair stand up thinking about you seeing trash talk after doing something completely free of charge with a lot of heart in it. I never will understand the psychology of trolling message boards, or stalking celebrities for US weekly and making up gossip, or any of the other things along those lines. Why can’t people see the PEOPLE as people? (That was a lot of people in that sentence).
Anyway, thanks for the comment Muna.
Self sustainable models for runners beginner to pro. That’s the key Lauren. It’s working for us at Reckless Running and it will work for you. I have had more appreciation and joy from my running the last two years with the freedom of my own brand than any other previous time. The ‘paradigm shifts’ so to say in corporate speak and so will your perspective on running. Let the fun begin! BTW one of my happier moments in recent years was helping instigate the Picky Bar revolution by posting your NYT article on the USATf is Crippling the Sport Facebook page. When runners stand behind runners big things happen. So many people stood behind you for positive change and held these running organizations to the same high standards they expect of athletes. I’m in your corner. Those who spout and instigate negativity in running are stuck in the ‘performance prison’ created by these corporate marketing campaigns. You’re free. Live it up. Congrats on the baby!
Thanks for paving the way Fam! As a partner with my new company, Oiselle, the model will be much more like what you’re talking about. The old model is ripe for change. You are a big inspiration to a lot of people (me included).
Wonderful post Lauren, I am so happy for you! Even though my roomies are moving you always have a place to stay in pdx if you need 🙂
Thanks Kelsey!
I got in on that thread early. Wasn’t buying any of it:
RE: Lauren Fleshman Taking 2013 off 11/30/2012 9:00PM – in reply to News flash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
a. she’s not making 5 mil.
b. making it back is relative: different than making an O’ team.
Glad things have gone well Lauren –pregnancy– at your advanced age! GL.
I am grateful to you for keeping it real Muhlberg. Seriously, thanks.
This post really resonates with me. I’m in the beginnings of trying to piece together a post-collegiate running career/life, and it’s anything but easy! If I’ve learned anything so far, it’s that it’s important to surround yourself with the type of people you value and are inspired by. The rest will come (hopefully!).
Sometimes it’s best to know when to take a step back. I can’t wait to see who you end up with when you’re ready to sign again!
Alia, you are so right. The quality of the soil plays a huge role in the health of the plant.
I am also a big believer that if you want something from your environment but aren’t getting it, try putting it out there yourself and you might be surprised that it starts coming right back to you!
Good luck with the goals. One step at a time 🙂
One of the best commentaries about the business of sport.
Keep stirring the pot!
Thanks Tony.
Love this post and how you broke it down. If you ever consider anyone else, Oiselle may be a great fit. They do so much outreach to make running accessible to everyone & worked with Every Mother Counts Foundation recently. They’re also a kick ass small company made up of Women that seriously rock & love the sport.
Looks like somebody could tell the future!
Lauren I am pressed for time but I just had to comment based upon the first few paragraphs which I read on my way out the door:
Your manner of putting your heart and soul into meaningful causes is one of the reasons you are among my favorite human beings.
Thanks for being awesome. 🙂
I have no doubt that you will accomplish the amazing and lofty goals you have set out for yourself, because you have already done so many great things for the sport and also for the world.
Mazel Tov (haha)
-MJ
*in this new stage of your career, and beyond*
(oh bother- this is what happens when I rush; edit edit edit, LOL)
Thanks emmjay2662 for the comments. You crack me up :). Here’s to a new year!
You’re an inspiration.
Thanks for that. Very kind of you.
Since you are making $5million at Picky Bars can you afford to sponsor a struggling triathlete with product? 🙂 (IF you are making that much as a startup can I invest in other brands with you? You must be a genius!)
Absolutely! I basically shit gold. Just hang out in the living room of the house I’m renting that quadruples as an office, a receiving dock, a fulfillment center, and a conference room…eventually money will just leap into your pockets.
“… basically I shit gold.”
THAT made me laugh out loud. Priceless.
Any tips for 34 week pregnant runners looking to hone their “shit gold” skills? i seem to be struggling in that area.
Dear Lauren,
I’ve been following you ever since you debuted the cover of Running magazine. You are truly inspirational and I appreciate your honesty and openness with your leaving Nike. I hope the best for you and yours (little one included) for 2013!
Best wishes and Happy New Year!
Kévin Farley
Thanks so much. I am grateful for your warm words.
Thank you for explaining why you parted ways. I worked for and, ultimately left a big company for essentially the same reasons. Congratulations on the wee one… have a safe and happy New Year.
It is torturous to get to the point where you’re finally ready to make a change, but nothing compares to the relief after you are free. 🙂
you’re 31? geez, time flies. the first time i saw you, you and trina cox went wizzing by the 2-mile mark at woodward park, cal state xc meet 1998?
Yep…I’ll be forever 28 on the inside I think. I remember every step of that race…good thing my memory hasn’t gone yet. 🙂
We had a special relationship but I’m sure he won’t miss me always trying to push Nike’s boundaries. Or who knows, maybe he will, just a little bit. Everyone, deep down, wants to be missed.
Lauren,
You might think you’re a pain in the ass, and perhaps you were… but, I’m sure the big wigs over there always appreciated your pushing boundaries and keeping them in check. It means you care. 😉
Rock on,
-Steve-
Thanks Steve. 🙂
Excellent, well-thought out post, as usual, Lauren. Quite hilarious about the LRC message boards. I will admit to trolling these on occasion, but I missed the gem about Picky bars making you a millionaire. Perhaps, in a few years this poster will prove prophetic! Good to know the real reasonsfor the split and it sounds like you are keeping yourself on a path for development both personally a professionally.
Thanks for the comment Angus. I’ll tell you what, if the 5M a year poster on Letsrun ends up being prophetic, I’ll…I’ll…I don’t know WHAT I’ll do. Be rich, that’s for sure. And probably will start using the message boards to determine future investments.
Ironically I found my way to your blog via a link from Letsrun.com. I’m glad I hit that link!
You have won my respect with your honesty and integrity, and I hope that you remain confident about the path your leading into your future.
I look forward to reading more updates!
Your friend from Europe.
ARo
Thanks ARo.
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Nothing but class. You made a sound decision weighing all the factors carefully. People who know nothing will always spew shit! Good luck with your future wherever it may take you, and congrats on the pregnancy!
Too true!
I really loved this post. Thanks so much for clarifying some of the rumors in a classy way (as always). Have you made a decision yet on where you’d like to go next? Or are you still searching for a company that would be a good fit? Best of luck to you and everything you do in 2013! 🙂
Well, I’m replying to this a bit late, so you may have heard what I ended up deciding to do…but if not, OISELLE!
Thanks for your comment Kelly! Happy running!
You are not at the end stage of your running career just heading to a new stage. I’ve been running 54 years and still love it.
Good point WeeB. Very good point.
Lauren congrats on the expanding family. Times of joy are in your future. Also warn Polster he should never be in a sleeping bag that close to a fire–he’ll burn up faster than fireworks on the 4th of July
Thanks Bill!
As for Polster, I was SURE he was actually on fire when I saw this photo online. Luckily he and his sleeping bag are intact. I will pass along the word.
Good for you Lauren! I admire that you know yourself so well, then have the guts to stick to your principles and make this very mature decision. Good luck to you & Jesse with the new adventures on the horizon for 2013, and I hope to see you in the Mrs. Thomas role at more triathlons this coming year!
Thanks Malaika. If only you could have seen inside my crazy head before I figured out what I wanted to do! 🙂 I appreciate the note and hope your training is going well! I look forward to seeing you out there this year.
Mazel Tov from one German-background shicksa that everyone thinks is Jewish to another – motherhood is only for the intrepid, so I’m sure you’ll be great!
And maybe now you’re not with Nike, you’ll be free to come to Zap Fitness to do a talk sometime! 😉
You know what, I would love to come by Zap sometime. It’s not exactly right down the road, but we can make it happen.
I’ll pass it on to Pete and Zika….thanks for the reply!
Thanks, Lauren, for shining a light on a bit of the track and field world that non-runners rarely get to see (though we sure hear a lot of rumors!).
It is interesting to know why things happen the way they do in the world of corporate sponsorship for T&F athletes, and you certainly gave us some insight on that.
Hey no problem, Steve. I’m really glad my circumstances allow me to feel free enough to be honest. There are all sorts of different reasons my peers leave or join a sponsor, but I hope that providing a deeper look at the industry can help fans fill in a lot of blanks. The business of sport can be just as interesting as the execution, at least for dorks like me 🙂
A classy piece. There’s a proud Stanford English professor smiling somewwhere.
Are you him? If so, thanks for forcing me to redo all my papers freshman year. Purposeful torture.
I’m just shocked prop makers aren’t rich. I bet the guy who did Titanic did ok. 😉 Great post!
They have a union, so pay is consistent in the industry, and they do pretty well when there is work, but they go months without work with movies being filmed in other countries, shows being seasonal, demand lulls, etc. It’s a cool job though. I got to see some amazing sets as a kid!
Well, if you need a new pair of shoes send an email my way and I would love to hook you up with some from SkoraRunning.com 🙂
I’ll check them out! Thanks!
Thanks for sharing this with us. I agree with many of the others who have commented – it’s so interesting to hear about the inner workings of track and field.
I was thrilled to read this morning that you signed on with Oiselle as an athlete and partner! You’re such an inspiration, as is Sally and the rest of the team at Oiselle! I’m excited to see how the partnership develops! Great things ahead in 2013!
Thanks Lisa! My favorite things to write about are the toughest things to write about :). Head up wings out!
I truly have enjoyed following your running career and this post. Thank you for an excellent and revealing look into the world of a professional runner. Best wishes for a happy and healthy furture!
Thanks for reading and contributing Gary!
Lauren,
Please, wherever the future takes you, continue your blog. I’m a high school coach and have learned so much from you. Some of your insights I have included in my team handbook. Please consider a book on running. You would do the sport a tremendous service (and maybe make that 5 million dollars)
Geoff Wilhelmy
Thanks Geoff! I appreciate your comment so much. I have a huge passion for high school athletes and respect high school coaches so much for all the work they do. I’ll keep doing what I’m doing if you do!
Lauren,
Congrats on the transition and for the baby on the way! Change is good and know you’ll continue to grow. Keep up your awesomeness (word?)!
Bob
Thanks Bob 🙂
I follow alot of the running sites, and time and time again, whenever I read a post, or something Lauren says – I always think to myself “what a class act”. You are – and the best of luck to you!
Thanks Catherine.
I am sure it was a tough decision! You can not even try to imagine what will happen to your, thoughts, decisions, etc once that baby is put in your arms! It will feel like an Olympic medal that is a piece of you & part of your heart for the rest of your life! It is the best! Wish you much luck & happiness! You are a true inspiration! Keep it up!
Thanks Lucie! I’m very encouraged by comments like yours. Already the lima bean is affecting my thoughts and decisions!
Lauren;
What a fascinating and wonderful career you have had so far. A new outlook and the freedom to carry on, on your own terms, is inspirational. Have you considered speaking at cross country and track camps around the country? I see you as a very well grounded and positive role model for the next generation of American runners.
Congratulations on your move to Oiselle! I am excited to see what is ahead for you and I hope you will keep writing. Also- I was looking at the Picky Bars website a few months back and was 99.9% sure that I recognized Polster from Laguna Beach. I’m glad to know my suspicions are true.
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You gave me advice years ago when I was training for my first marathon and I still read that note sometimes to inspire me. I just wanted to add here that I really hope you’re not considering your 30s your “last” phase of competitive running. It seems to me that some of the best women, especially trail/mountain/ultra runners, are in their 30s, 40s and 50s! This past weekend at a 10k mountain race in VT, a woman in her late 40s passed 30-year-old me in mile 4, cinching the 4th place spot, and instead of being bummed, I was so inspired by her strength and speed and so hopeful for a similar long future in trail running. I’ve also found that off-road racing has more of an “upside” than road racing…it can be almost a religious experience, especially those longer races. I’m sure you’re quite aware! But just a thought. Now I’m going to go buy some Picky bars 🙂
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This was such a wonderfully written post. What shocked me was the picture of Polster and how easily I recognized him haha. He was my favorite on Laguna Beach and I can’t believe that he works for Picky Bars now!